The end result?

Immediately before the First World War the two largest employment categories in Britain were "Agricultural Workers", closely followed by "Domestic Servants".

I don't see farming bouncing back as a source of employment, but I'd guess that over the next twenty years "Non Residential Domestic Help & Care Workers" will have overtaken "Retail" to become the big employment growth category of the 21st Century.

Back in those days , the people in the industries that you describe earned so little they did not consume much either , if we go back to low pay for millions( which seems to be the case that is happening right now ) who is going to buy the so called wonderful products that the industrialist's need the masses to buy to keep themselves rich.

more crap jobs

How is it possible to live in London on these wages?

Jobs winners and losers since 2001

The figures, which were revealed in a report by the UK Commission for Employment and Skills (UKCES), a Government-funded body, also show that many state-funded occupations have enjoyed substantial growth since 2001.

Occupation category	Numbers (2001)	Numbers (2009)	% Decrease
Assemblers (electrical products)	108,076	33,885	69
Collector salespeople and credit agents	26,735	9,794	63
Assemblers (vehicles and metal goods)	68,745	26,556	61
Typists	36,682	15,189	59
Bookbinders and print finishers	36,266	15,385	58
Metal-making and treating process operatives	27,732	11,910	57
Metal machine setter and setter-operators	94,580	40,708	57
Telephonists	49,581	22,090	55
Precious instrument makers and repairers	35,907	19,559	54
Sewing machinists	74,480	35,757	52
Tool makers, tool fitters and markers-out	35,691	17,136	52
Printing machine minders and assistants	34,098	18,060	47
Telephone salespeople	93,014	52,020	44
Roundsmen and van salespeople	35,300	35,300	43
Plastics process operatives	69,596	39,492	43
Textiles and garment trades	59,261	35,492	40
Quality assurance technicians	20,705	8,255	40
Shopkeepers and wholesale and retail dealers	204,638	123,516	40
Glaziers and fitters	59,255	36,397	39
Metal-working machine operatives	110,029	67,626	39

The winners

Occupation category	Numbers (2001)	Numbers (2009)	% Increase
Conservation & environ. protection officers	11,797	26,470	124
Paramedics	11,101	23,798	114
Legal associate professionals	24,509	51,250	109
Refuse and salvage occupations	21,750	44,393	104
Leisure and theme park attendants	11,101	22,471	102
Town planners	13,886	26,931	94
Educational assistants	252,358	482,979	91
Driving instructors	23,265	44,494	91
Registrars and senior educational administrators	25,195	44,210	75
Purchasing managers	24,415	41,457	70
Psychologists	20,947	35,080	67
Undertakers and mortuary assistants	11,157	18,379	65
Beauticians and related occupations	32,476	53,055	63
Youth and community workers	70,868	114,992	62
Senior officials in special interest organisations	17,767	28,385	60
Housing and welfare officers	110,357	176,173	60
Aircraft pilots and flight engineers	15,129	24,079	59
Pharmaceutical dispensers	25,505	40,052	57
Social service managers	32,201	50,463	57
Statutory examiners	11,067	17,275	56

Jobs market getting worse

Link


And how many times does this have to keep happening before we do something about it? And by doing something about it I do not mean making government non jobs, I mean actually making and exporting things people want.

Its too late for this girl, is it too late for the rest of us

Unspun stats

The employment rate for the three months to February 2010 was 72.1 per cent. The rate was down 0.3 on the quarter and it has not been lower since the three months to October 1996. The number of people in employment fell by 89,000 on the quarter to reach 28.82 million. There were falls in employment over the quarter for both full-time workers (down 59,000) and part-time workers (down 30,000). The number of employees and self-employed people working part-time because they could not find a full-time job increased by 13,000 on the quarter to reach 1.05 million, the highest figure since comparable records began in 1992.

The unemployment rate for the three months to February 2010 was 8.0 per cent. The rate was up 0.1 on the quarter and it has not been higher since the three months to September 1996. The number of unemployed people increased by 43,000 over the quarter to reach 2.50 million, the highest figure since the three months to December 1994. The number of people unemployed for up to six months fell by 46,000, to reach 1.22 million. However, the number of people unemployed for more than twelve months increased by 89,000 over the quarter to reach 726,000, the highest figure since the three months to July 1997.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?ID=12

Told you it was getting worse

Link

UK unemployment has broken through the 2.5 million mark for the first time since the Labour government came to power, after the jobless total jumped by 43,000 in the three months to February.

At 2.502 million, the number of people out of work is at its highest since the last three months of 1994. The jobless rate is now 8%, its highest since 1996.

And this is before the election post election there will be some massive austerity going on there is no other choice!

Another view

I have worked in recruitment. I wouldnt recommend it but it keeps the wolf from the door.

I've done two jobs in high street recruitment. The thing that bothered me was, that you are supposed to be trained up by people who have no interest in you doing well, as if you do, you are a threat.

This means they only help the people stay who they see as not a threat. I've seen this in a few sales jobs.

You can do the best job you could possibly do, but if you dont hit the numbers they want, or if they take a dislike to you, you are out.

The other thing I dont like in this sort of job, is that to establish dominance, you are expected to suck up unfair criticism or jokes at your expense, and if you dish it back, its seen as you being arrogant.

If you can tug your forelock while lazy fuckers tell you how they are great while looking like they are scared of you, give it a go.

I reckon it could be an ok job, if it wasnt for the shitty management style that has people fighting against each other like cat and dog rather than helping each other.

Call centre work is better to be honest.

I suspect being a rep would be similar but better.

Be aware that the rate of staff turnover in recruitment is high. They have no interest in helping you, its just sink or swim.

If you are good at brown nosing, it could be the job for you.

I'd love to get into a technical job to match my engineering degree, but mostly I do shitty sales stuff where they treat you like shit, because you are a disposable resource rather than someone worth investing in.

The view from the other side

Continuing this theme of recruitment consultant hatred here is a view from an acquaintance from the other side:

It was the worst job I have ever had in my life.

Not only do you have to be professionally two-faced, lie on a daily basis to both clients and candidates but you also have to be completely cold-blooded and uncaring.
I worked in quite a small market placing people into Social Housing positions. The jobs weren't particularly well paid in the first place, and then you had to take a cut of it - so a £10 an hour placement quickly became a £6 an hour job for the candidate.

I went home thoroughly demotivated every day. The culture is competative and the majority of recruitment consultants only cared about how big a margin they could negotiate and how much money they earned. Very, very few actually had anything interesting about them.

What has happened over the last few days

I got caught in the fake job bullshit again, in that normally big recruitment agency firms like Reed or Man power rarely have fake jobs, but quite recently even they have been putting up fake jobs and just lying through their teeth. I was told by Reed Manchester that there would be a job at Cowgill Holloway in Manchester. But I know the HR person there, and know of a couple of people who have survived the chop. I phoned them up immediately after the call with the agent, no such vacancy existed. Same thing happened with CLB coopers.

Some recruitment firms are even worse in that they simply make up a name of an accountancy firm, they thing we are stupid or something? In that we can't search the ACCA or ACA or CIMA lists if these companies exist or not? Or even just go through Yell?.

I've always hated people who have given false hope to others as it would be better to have not given them hope in the first place.

Apprentices to be paid £2.5/h

From here

So apprentices are to be paid £2.5/h erm apprentices are already paid £95 a week so what is the difference then?

Lies, damned lies, statistics and labour government propaganda.

Here

For November 2009 to January 2010:
The employment rate was 72.2 per cent and there were 28.86 million employed people.
The unemployment rate was 7.8 per cent and there were 2.45 million unemployed people.
The inactivity rate was 21.5 per cent and there were 8.16 million working age inactive people.
The employment rate for the three months to January 2010 was 72.2 per cent. The rate is down
0.3 on the quarter and it has not been lower since the three months to November 1996.
The number of inactive people of working age increased by 149,000 over the quarter to reach a record high of
8.16 million.
The number of people in employment was 28.86 million in the three months to January 2010,
The number of people in part-time employment was 7.70 million in the three
months to January 2010,
The number of people in public sector employment was 6.10 million in December 2009, up 7,000
from September 2009.


Hold on inactivity? I'm sorry do you mean unemployment? so there are 2.5million officially unemployed and yet there are also 8.2million who are inactive or as we would normally call them unemployed. So you mean there are 10 million unemployed then?

Spit it out, an unemployed person is somebody without a job, a bitter pill no matter how you dress it up with an euphemism it is still a bitter pill.

Trends

A continuation thread.

In the past couple of threads I mentioned migrant workers and outsourcing. Here is what I think about it.

In that in the past 10-15 years perhaps longer, the middle class white collar office workers generally had the I'm alright Jack mentality regarding work, in that they were ok so others must be ok. Bah you manufacturing low skilled work scum! Who cares about you? In that I'm alright and all that migrant labour and outsourcing means that things are cheaper for me.

So at the cafe I have a Polish bloke or woman serving me, but it keeps prices down right? Or at a factory for a supermarket they are stuffed full of migrants who work for less than minimum wage as the truck acts don't seem to apply to them. (This is where being paid in kind say vouchers for use at a factory shop is illegal). Hey it is A OK if I can buy cheap clothing at supermarkets and cheap clothing.

Those at the bottom who cares? damn them damn them all they should have got an education! As long as it ends up in cheaper goods for me that is all that matters.

But what if the working class complain about migrant workers?

I know lets call them racists and BNP supporters to stiffle debate and descent in our work places.


That was the mentality and it still is...

Except they forgot one thing in that it was the start of a slippery slope, in that migrant workers and outsourcing and insourcing (bringing people here to do jobs much like the fuel refinery issue in 2009 so we can pay them less). It spread far and wide.

Now bosses seeking to lower costs are starting to attack the middle class white collar jobs, it happened at my old firm the staff were one by one replaced by outsourcing and then the staff at the office were replaced by Poles.

As with the prior post I do not blame the Polish people individually, but the complete selfish nature of society in general which has come back to bite us on the ass. So I hope you enjoyed all of those cheap coffees cheap clothing and cheap food as the cost saving methods are moving into other areas.

They came for the jobs of the working class and now they come for the jobs of the middle class, it is no use stomping your feet as it has begun and it is an unstoppable juggernaut.

Intern exploitation gets more media attn

Here

British companies don't want British workers

So much for Gordon' s promise of British jobs for British workers here

Really? (daily wail alert)

Or here?

I don't blame the Polish for seeking out work; seeking out opportunities to work is commendable. I don't blame the Indian people for dismantling the UK IT industry either. I blame Tony Blair and Gordon Brown for destroying the country. To actively encourage job destruction through unfair competition is treasonous. They are meant to make decisions that help the British people and Great Britain. My conscience is clear. I never voted for these vacuous c*nts and never will. The country is now infested with illegal immigrants and limp-wristed liberal types. I got fed up with hearing about globalisation and how inevitable it all is.

Britain just allowed the flood of Polish people even though it didn't have to. It was a spiteful and calculated move to drive down wages. I don't mind the Polish. They all seem fairly decent but that doesn't mean it's right to alienate the British unemployed. What annoys me is that in a relatively short period of time the country has lost its identity. Why would I want to endure illegal immigrant ex-soldiers from Somalia and the like? Why is everyone shocked when all the lawless immigrants kill and rape us? It's racist to dispute these issues because we have become useless pussies. We cannot even say we hate a religion in our own country! Why the hell did my grandfathers bother fighting in WW1 and 2? What a waste of time. It's ironic to remember that Hitler had a lot of respect for Britain. Gordon Brown and Tony Blair don't even have that respect.

The war against wages

Here

Similar things happened here, unions what unions? Such things only exist for the public sector.

The article states employees who don't stay long a similar thing has happened in the UK whereby people are never full time employees. My old place did something similar you were employed on a contract for 11 months. Once this was up you were told to go home and were rehired at the same pay as your prior job, but since you are now a NEW employee you can be fired for any reason at all, since you NEVER hit the 12 month period you in effect have NO rights. Logically if you never hit one year you never hit 2 years and therefore you are NEVER entitled to redundancy!.

Question is what to do about this?

With minimum wage a joke exploited by unpaid overtime, no unions and no job security why do people stand for this?

When NMW isn't cheap enough

Mc'ds want you for free work

Precis work for Mc'ds for 10 days and get a GCSE B grade. Which seems a bit iffy to me, but this is early days.

On the flip side Mc'ds might not be exactly a great employer but at least you get paid exactly for the hours that you put in.

As said md 1990s worked there once, I work 10 hours I get paid for 10 hours it was something like £22 for that. Although staff turn over quickly and the morale is low they aren't THAT bad as employers I could never do it again though.

While in the modern day work place, like my old accounting firm I work 80+ hours get paid for 34.5 hours divide that hourly and I was being paid about £3-4 an hour gross before tax. Just goes to show even though Mc'ds may not be a great employer there are much worse ones out there.

Of course we can all hope that Karma sorts this out, in that if you kick people on the way up they may end up kicking you on the way down, question is why all the kicking in the first place?

How wide spread is this?

A quick search revealed lots of these scams:

WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: NPS/40698


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE


NOTTINGHAM, NOTTINGHAMSHIRE


06/08/2009
............

WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: BTR/17661


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


BURTON-ON-TRENT, STAFFORDSHIRE


18/01/2010
............................

WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: CRY/67747


MEETS NAT MIN WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM

WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: ROI/72250


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


ROTHERHAM, SOUTH YORKSHIRE


18/01/2010
..........................

WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: CHL/65855


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


CHESTERFIELD, DERBYSHIRE


18/01/2010
...........................................

WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: BAL/67828


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


BARNSLEY, SOUTH YORKSHIRE


18/01/2010
CROYDON, SURREY


25/01/2010
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WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: CVD/71725


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE


SHEFFIELD, SOUTH YORKSHIRE


06/08/2009
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: ROI/72250


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


ROTHERHAM, SOUTH YORKSHIRE


18/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: CHL/65855


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


CHESTERFIELD, DERBYSHIRE


18/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: BAL/67828


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


BARNSLEY, SOUTH YORKSHIRE


18/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: DCG/30621


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


DONCASTER, SOUTH YORKSHIRE.


18/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: MHH/15262


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


MANSFIELD, NOTTINGHAMSHIRE


18/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: RET/24937


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE


RETFORD, NOTTINGHAMSHIRE


20/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: HUD/87506


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


HUDDERSFIELD, WEST YORKSHIRE


18/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: MAC/50174


ON TARGET EARNINGS OF £30,000 PER ANNUM


MACCLESFIELD, CHESHIRE


18/02/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: OLH/75310


ON TARGET EARNINGS OF £30,000 PER ANNUM


OLDHAM, LANCASHIRE


18/02/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: HAF/57244


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


HALIFAX, WEST YORKSHIRE


18/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: LPP/43459


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE


LEEDS, WEST YORKSHIRE


06/08/2009


WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: ROC/63531


ON TARGET EARNINGS OF £30,000 PER ANNUM


ROCHDALE, LANCASHIRE


18/02/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: FTS/131763


ON TARGET EARNINGS OF £30,000 PA


MANCHESTER, LANCASHIRE


06/08/2009
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: NPS/40698


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE


NOTTINGHAM, NOTTINGHAMSHIRE


06/08/2009
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: BDC/129220


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE


BRADFORD, WEST YORKSHIRE


06/08/2009
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: SCN/11981


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE


SCUNTHORPE, SOUTH HUMBERSIDE


20/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: LOS/32064


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE


LINCOLN, LINCOLNSHIRE


20/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: BTR/17661


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


BURTON-ON-TRENT, STAFFORDSHIRE


18/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: NOR/32172


ON TARGET EARNINGS OF £30,000 PER ANNUM


NORTHWICH, CHESHIRE


18/02/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: YOR/142611


ON TARGET EARNINGS OF £30,000 PA


YORK, NORTH YORKSHIRE


06/08/2009
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: GNT/11459


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


GRANTHAM, LINCOLNSHIRE


11/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: BOL/99226


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


BOLTON, LANCASHIRE


18/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: SKP/32569


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


SKIPTON, NORTH YORKSHIRE


18/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: HUW/34304


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE


HULL, NORTH HUMBERSIDE


06/08/2009
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: WBA/26668


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


WIGAN, LANCASHIRE


18/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: MEL/22103


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


MELTON MOWBRAY, LEICESTERSHIRE


11/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: BCK/33771


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


BLACKBURN, LANCASHIRE


18/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: PRS/112945


ON TARGET EARNINGS OF £30,000 PA


PRESTON, LANCASHIRE


06/08/2009
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: LCR/46340


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE OTE £30,000 PER ANNUM


LEICESTER, LEICESTERSHIRE


11/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: GTT/24529


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE


GRIMSBY, SOUTH HUMBERSIDE


20/01/2010
WEB OPTIMISATION CONSULTANT

Permanent

Job No: WSQ/123249


MEETS NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE


LIVERPOOL, MERSEYSIDE

Revenge of the Job scam

Looks like a job initially doesn't it 30K 40 hours per week Monday to Friday, but look at the detail, this is actually an advert for a training scheme which YOU pay them £2500. Sooo uh how is this a job then? In that if YOU pay them 9/10 it is a scam, but you are buying a service to them and not selling your services to them therefore it isn't employment. Quite frankly it isn't a job it is an advert for training.

Bizarrely enough this IS still counted on the government statistics on their jobs available for people to apply to, the job centre website is littered with examples of these kinds of 'jobs' it again makes the government statistics not particularly credible. Oh there is loads of work out here, but when 1/4 of the 'jobs' are these then if the government claims there to be 100,000 jobs then 25,000 are not jobs. a good 1/4 jobs are scams and the other 2/4 are a combination of fake internships and or apprenticeships, with the few real jobs not working out (the pay is impossibly low) then where are all these jobs people scowl the unemployed for?

This takes the piss

Here


Essentially what it says is RBS and Lloyds bank are going to outsource jobs, the irony is that the British tax payer saved them in the first place and this is how they repay us?.

Without UK tax payer support these entities would no longer exist!